SB Nation - Login for mobile commenting

SLC Dunk

Karl Malone, Phil Johnson, Kevin O’Connor, Greg Miller, Gordon Monson, and Brad Rock could all endeavor to be more like Jerry Sloan

Revolutions can be regime changing. Revolutions can change opinions. Revolutions can even end entire epochs. In all cases revolutions disturb the current status quo, and even after the dust settles, can be a sore spot of contention years later. Change can be a weapon. At the same time, change can be a powerful, positive force. Still, diehards on all sides of a revolution rarely get the closure and final result that they, individually, may desire. Such is the case of Jerry Sloan’s resigning 12 months ago. (Note to non-English native speakers like myself, ‘resigning’ isn’t the same thing as ‘re-signing’ is – as I learned a year ago after that home loss on TV to the Chicago Bulls) This season the new, revolutionized Utah Jazz are winning games (for the most part)’; head coach Tyrone Corbin was implementing his system and getting his guys to play hard; and fans could just focus on loving our team again. However, a number of high profile individuals have begun to express their feelings and hard held beliefs on the subject; perhaps out of reaction or consequence of the preceding individuals’ lack of silence.

According to the fantastically researched and presented time-line by our own Moni (@Monilogue ) at her site JazzFanatical, this is what we know: (Prologue) Jerry Sloan resigns; (Act 1) Karl Malone talks; (Act 2) Brad Rock wrote a piece; (Act 3) Kevin O’Connor was interviewed on the radio; (Act 4) Gordon Monson wrote a piece; (Intermission) Jerry Sloan watched a college basketball game and was silent; (Act 5) Greg Miller tweeted; (Act 6) Tyrone Corbin’s agent, Steve Luhm, Gordon Monson, and an AP writer quoting Deron Williams all tweeted some things; (Act 7) Greg Miller writes his opinions out in a blog post; and so forth. I’m not going to include a hyperlink for each event – just visit her site. It’s the best post on this you’ll find on the internet. The main point that I can see is that right now all the reactionary cuts, jabs, and stabs are succeeding only in killing our franchise, sentencing us to a death from a thousand small wounds. Wounds that for the most part we had all (including the ever ferocious, hungry National Media) healed and moved on from.

Yes, Karl Malone is my favorite basketball player of all-time; but I will be the first person to admit that he is far from a perfect player, and far from a perfect human being. That said: I don’t think it’s ever good business to erode the relationship with the face of your franchise (he has a statue in-front of the arena, lest we forget) – no matter what the situation is. Karl rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, and in a way, he was the most volatile individual in this whole revolution. Jerry Sloan was going to keep his mouth shut. By giving Karl a reason to be upset, in a way, the Utah Jazz brass offered him a reason to blow up. If you’ve ever, EVER, worked in a laboratory environment before you know that you don’t have to worry about your Noble Gasses (Jerry Sloan); you do have to worry about things that can go absolutely nuclear though (Karl Malone). Ticking off Karl Malone (and hey, a lot of times Karl gets ticked off for perceived slights just as much as the real ones – it was that chip on his shoulder that motivated him to try to prove everyone wrong on the court every time he played; that same chip on his shoulder that made him the face of his small market franchise that he took to the Western Conference Finals 5 times in a 7 year stretch) set off a chain reaction – and right now the Jazz fans are neck deep in nuclear fallout that can’t be contained by the Energy Solutions Arena. Now this is a national story. Now this is something I can’t avoid addressing anymore.

Star-divide

It pains me to even think of having to scrub nuclear fallout – from our own Mom and Pop owned franchise. We love the Jazz. The Jazz were winning some games no one thought we could. The Jazz had a bright future. Tyrone Corbin was doing well. And then this happened; our own little Three Mile Island / Tschernobyl / Fukushima – right in our own back yard for all the neighbors to look at and gossip about. The biggest national story about the Jazz this year was the surprisingly good play from our very young team, and how Tyrone Corbin could be a candidate for Coach of the Year. Now, all of that good press is yesterday’s news. I’d rather write 2000 words on Al Jeffersons’ crazy girlfriend than this. I’d rather read about Gordon Hayward saving money by buying a family sedan instead of this. Nope. Not going to happen. The only Jazz news we get will now be this, and a passing mention in opposing teams’ game recaps.

I kind of want to blame Lakers fans for this somehow, but even this isn’t their fault. (Btw, our team is still playing games and they have one tonight against the Lakers – you know, the game is now an aside to the spectacle). You’re taught to try your best to placate your most volatile actors in any reaction – by isolating them, by neutralizing them, or by removing them. It’s easier said than done when this volatile actor is also the singular guy that casual fans, and fans of other teams think about when they think of your team. Greg Miller, and please I’m not taking sides – if I was it would be on the side of the Jazz fans, wrote that (I’m paraphrasing here) the pains Karl Malone used to give the Jazz were no longer counter balanced by the good he could do for the franchise. Perhaps the value of Malone now doesn’t exist upon a gradient? Perhaps he exists only in an action potential type of way, right now he’s binary. He can either hurt you / make a mess / open his mouth / make the team look bad / undermine progress – or he can not do those things. Even if you don’t think he’s capable of doing good (by his refusal of your olive branch or whatever), then you know that he is capable of damage. Karl Malone is a known element at this point. We all know what he’s capable of. Because we know what he’s capable of it points even more to the negligence of people on overwatch. He’s not like Dominique Wilkins who’s happy to just do color commentary for the Atlanta Hawks. He’s not like Joe Dumars who can handle a high profile, high ‘reliability’ front office job like he has with the Detroit Pistons. Sadly, he’s not like John Stockton who just knows when to disappear either. He’s Karl Malone. And I am blaming him for bringing this up. But you don’t blame a chemical for its nature (oh, why couldn’t you be more like U-239 instead of U-232?). You are to blame for improper containment. It’s Karl’s nature to go vocal when he’s ticked off. I’ve never met him and I know this. What’s the excuse for the people who knew him since he was 20?

Still, the whole situation wouldn’t have spiraled out of control into this huge PR mess if the main people involved in the chemical reaction were more like Jerry Sloan – the noble gas. Moving away from the meltdown / chemical reaction theme back into the idea of revolution – Karl Malone is the charismatic partisan fighting a dirty, hard to suppress resistance to the new order. He liked it the way it used to be. And until you win him over, he’ll always find a way to make his points known – at the expense of order. The Jazz revolution happened. Sloan left. Tyrone became the leader. Deron Williams was exiled. The good reconstruction efforts are now being overlooked because all the outside media can focus on is the mess this rogue has made.

.

.

Long Live The Utah Jazz

Now can everyone involved just shut up like Jerry Sloan has, so we can attempt to move forward? (And also Jazz need to hire some people to wrangle Karl Malone – make him an official talent scout in Mongolia.)

.

.

.

Note: the only criticism I will tolerate in the comments section will be on my writing. This is a warning – all comments critical of Greg Miller, the Miller family, the rest of the Jazz brass, our coaches, our media, and our former players will be deleted. Period. This is censorship. This is a new regime here at SLCDUNK. You can give your opinions, but the last place I want to see fans fighting and saying bad things about our entire Jazz family is here. No criticism. Just constructive commentary. And making fun of me. Shut up.

0 recs  |  48 comments

Comments

Great post Amar. Well done.

Very BBJish. I approve of the censorship policy on this post.

thanks, if i had more time i would have included a goofy, tone-shifting photoshop of a chemical reaction

going haywire. and instead of the chemicals it would just be the faces of some of the people involved.

like Jazz – sloan + karl (active form) —> Jazz dividing into all the little heads of each person who has been vocal about this.

hmmm, still a good idea, but I have chores to do.

Seconded.

Now YOU shut up!!

lacking credibility

While a huge fan of the Mailman Stockton was and is my all time favorite athlete.
Karl’s comments to me lack credibility purely based on the timing.

what timing are you referring to?
SHUT UP

well done – eom

Color commentary

Does anyone else start laughing uncontrollably when thinking about Malone doing color commentary? It would be like Charles Barkley with less education and more redneck euphemisms.

would it be worse than

mark jackson, reggie miller, or a bunch of other former players who are bad at it?

Oh I think Malone would be great

He would probably be the cause of many laughs during a really frustrating game

I think Malone would be unfathomably entertaining.
entertaining in a good way though?

I thought the interview was hilarious, like any other opinion piece has the potential to be. I also think he would be hilarious on color commentary.

I can almost guarantee,

Malone would get pissed off at something and take his headset off only to walk over the bench, court, or ref and make a comment to someone.

“You think Karl Malone is going to sit here why you treat the Jazz like a G-D wet cat in a burlap sack!? Karl Malone wants you to call the game better before he comes at you like a wild boar in a girl scout camp!”

Karl

Great article. I loved Karl and it is sad to see his attempts to still be relevant. He should ask himself before he speaks, tweets or texts….What Would Jerry Do.

good advice for all of us

but i think it depends on which jerry — the 70+ year old Jerry would shut up. the fiery player and coach in his younger days would respond with only swear words. ha ha.

About Karl

I usually don’t post because i am a non native english speaker and I don’t write as well as I understand the language but as loyal European jazz fan since 1988 I think that what Karl said represent the opinion and the thinking of many jazz fans about there.
The whole story with Jerry leaving the way he left, left open wounds to many jazz fans, questions about what really happened behind the scenes and what was told or not to media and the fans. Jerry is a gentleman and went away silently not speaking about what happened because he didn’t want to divide the community with his departure. Karl is Karl a person who never hid and spoke his mind every time he thought it was needed.
I believe that it isn’t only me who thinks the same and many of us can’t go on and pretend that nothing happened one year ago…I have never been at salt lake and it is a dream of mine to come there sometime in the future but I think that somewhere near the statues of Karl and John deserves to be a statue of Jerry….thanks for reading my post

You write well!

You should comment more. Not only will it help you practice but it would add to the colorful and expansive Jazz fan club that SLCdunk has. The more people abroad in the world that comment, the better for all of us =).

Welcome to SLCdunk if you haven’t already received a welcome.

Slc dunk

I watch this site from its beginning..to be honest I was following basketball’s John earlier site and I was on of the first to become a member at slc dunk…but although I read every downbeat and fan post I can find I do rarely post….my first post came one year ago with Jerry leaving the way he did….one part of me still hurts and I can’t think of Jerry returning to coach another team except the jazz

I totally agree

that I don’t know if I could bear watching Jerry pacing another sideline…

I'd be okay if he coaches OKC.

I would be happy for him there.

Welcome to (posting at ) SLC Dunk!

Your feelings ARE shared by many Jazz fans and Dunkers. Feel free to post whenever, whatever. We have lots of foreign Jazz fans here :)

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMNNNNNNN it.

I hope that was constructive enough for the whole situation and to completely summarize what the entire Jazz nation is feeling about the situation and all the players involved.

Jerry released a statement

“I would like to set the record straight regarding my retirement from the Utah Jazz,” he said. "I had the unwavering support of the Miller family during my 23 seasons as head coach with the franchise and I left on my own volition. It is not true that the Millers undermined my authority as head coach. I had their complete backing to run the team as I wished and was assured that no player could ever overrule my decisions.

“The Millers encouraged me to stay with the team and gave me multiple opportunities to do so. They felt strongly that I should wait at least until the end of the season to resign and did everything they could to keep me coaching.

“I do not wish to make any further statements regarding this issue. It is time for me and my family to move on and I ask that the media respect my wishes and respect the integrity of the Miller family and all that they have done for the Utah Jazz and this community.”

I saw this posted by Locke and there is an article from Brad Rock about it as well.

I’m glad Jerry is saying something about it. My hope has been that he would say something along the lines of “Let’s put this behind us and stop worrying about the past. It doesn’t matter what happened, it’s over now. Let’s move on in our own respective ways.”

I don’t care so much about what actually happened, I just want to focus on where the team is going from here.

that's very classy of jerry

trying to defuse the situation. i hope karl would keep his mouth shut though, things like this could prevent jerry coming back to the sideline. i really really would like to see jerry back in the nba again as a head coach, to the point i dont even care which team he’s going to coach…. well not the trailblazers at least >_<

jerry just want to get back to do what he loves the most, coaching. the stuffs behind, he forgets about it already. here’s hoping he’ll return to coach in other nba team, would definitely be interesting to see how many of the jazz fans will boo him in ESA if that happens.

as for the jerry’s resignation, im contempt we’ll never know the real story about it in the near future. if any truths will ever be known about it (without the necessity to smooth things up via diplomatic talks), it’ll be one of the close circle guys (aka AK) in his 60-70s and getting interviewed about what really happened back then. but even i dont get my hopes up for that. i am contempt with it as jerry does. and even though jazz nation will forever have the split views about it, it is time to let this slide as even jerry and phil themselves cbf with all that, they just want to move forward.

PS. is it so bad of me wishing losses on the clips so they would make a move and try to hire jerry next season and hoping jerry will win 1 with em ? i hope none of the clips fan reading this XD

Jerry Sloan is a MAN

saves the day

I think the censorship warning

Was more fit guys like me that were very critical of Gregg on twitter with one liners and they didn’t want to see the same here. I think the guys are very open to open discussion here. It’s the mudslinging and name calling they probably (and rightfully so) don’t want here.

Hopefully, with Jerry’s statement, the win against LA tonight, and the Super Bowl tomorrow – it can die and those involved can rack it up and move forward.

This has to be one of Fesenko's jokes.

After reading all this stuff on twitter about the beef Karl has with the Jazz/Greg Miller I could care less about it. I just want to watch Jazz basketball. Whatever is happening I hope doesnt get our current Jazz players, and coaches off track. To the media that is asking them what they think about the beef between Karl, and Greg can you please stop it. This has nothing to do with them.

Lets get that W tonight Jazz!

If the Lakers can survive the Shaq/Kobe and Phil/Kobe beefs

Hopefully the Jazz can survive Greg/Karl.

Mmm... Kobe beef
We've Survived Larry/Karl Beefs.

I’m sure we’ll survive Greg/Karl beefs.

Here’s a link to a desnews areticle of one of Larry and Karls feuds. Karl’s statue almost didn’t happen…
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/595047375/I-dont-need-Karl-in-my-life-Miller-says.html

I love you username
Final thought (I hope)

Greg Miller was really dumb to write that blog piece. Terrible choice. He obviously wrote it when his emotions were high and without all the facts (responding to what Dwyer said Malone said, rather than what Malone actually said). He ought to have steamed quietly, calmed down, and decided to how to best react in the next couple of days. Instead he threw a fit in a bout of outrage and charged emotion.

Which is exactly what Larry would have done.

And if you think Larry handled controversies differently, then you didn’t really know that guy.

Yep

the tone felt retaliatory. That is not a good way to handle a PR situation…except in politics.

Didn't people get after Greg for not being more like his Dad?

He ie getting out there and wearing is emotions on his blog, and I applaud him. This won’t destroy the franchise.

What I don’t understand is how Jerry said for years that he would just decide one day that he was be done coaching, and when he did it no one believed him.

This is exactly the point I intended to make
So will we also have a teary eyed press conference with Greg and Karl sitting together?

On another note, I really hate seeing this stuff. It’s like watching your parents fight.

meant as a reply to Yucca's post

what sums up karl to me is. after katrina karl took bulldozers down to new orleans and started clearing the streets. some goverment person stopped them and told karl he needed a permit. karl told him to stick the permit were the sun don’t shine. and kept on working. he is going to say what is on his mind. if someone sticks a mic in front of him he’s still going to say what’s on his mind. i don’t think he would take a job with the jazz if they offerd but he would like to be offerd. my only comment about greg’s tweet is your sure not going to shut karl up by calling him a liar and talking about lunch dates years ago

That's another thing that's gotten lost in all this

Karl didn’t just show up in Utah and demand to be put on air. He was asked to appear on the radio, and answered questions he was asked.

Wow

This came out of left field for me, this post is the first I’ve heard of anything. I guess that’s from not living in the Utah area. I think it’s somewhat odd to anticipate angry responses and say that censorship would be used. Wouldn’t the first response people would have be, “Uhh, what just happened and why?”

And there’s quite a few posts in this page that criticize Greg Miller. Not sure if that should be censored or not. It seems that it should be, in the interests of consistency, but should not be, in the interests of discussion. What other place are we going to talk about this situation if not here? I don’t have a side and don’t want to have one, really. I’m all for keeping a united front against disrupting the Jazz family, but shouldn’t that be left to the community to police itself? I’m confident it can. Either that, or let’s censor everything that was promised, not just one side.

I understand the intent to preserve good dialogue. You are the authority on this blog, there’s no challenging it, and we get that. It has sort of an iron ring to it, though. I’d like to see some respectful confidence in our discussions and then some reactive edits if needed, rather than a pre-emptive show of force. Eh?

After some re-reading and thought, I retract part of the conclusion. Yucca and the responders didn’t criticize Greg Miller’s position, only his method of response. I’d like to strike that part of my comment.

I do want to talk about something of a pre-emptive, clamping down tone contained in the original post. First, this isn’t a personal topic, it’s not anything I feel emotional about, so I hope to remove all emotional overtones; but I am concerned. I really get the feeling from the tone here that this may be part of SLC Dunk policy going forward, to anticipate tension and deploy crowd control early. If not, then take this with a grain of salt. If so, that doesn’t seem right. It strikes me as perhaps, a (well-meaning) overreaction. I see the humor in the post intended to deflect dour impressions away, so I know that it’s well-meaning. :) Here at SLC Dunk, I’ve seen a lot of civil, good, substantive talk here in the last four years, where posters can seperate emotion from reason before the point where they create divisiveness in the Jazz family. What I value very much (and I suppose many posters may also value) is the confidence that the administration here shows in the community’s ability to straighten itself out, work out its own kinks, etc. If this was a problem site, or something on the verge of becoming a problem site, things might be different. But though I’m not a top-10 contributor to SLC Dunk, I’ve spent some serious time here, and never seen more than the occasional isolated incident here or there that suggests that the community can’t police its own dissidents.

If there’s anything I or anyone else can do to reinforce good will, let us know. Please don’t lose confidence in the community to do so. That’s all I ask. I’ll use all my diplomatic power to turn ill-fated conversation around, and I’m sure other posters will the same. I’d go to a lot of trouble in the threads I engage in to raise the confidence of the administration here so that we can avoid a police state-type of site. What I couldn’t abide would be not having the opportunity to do so. Thanks.

I don't think the censorship thing means no discussion or criticism

It’s to prevent substance-free/trolling comments like “_ is an ass,” “you’re an idiot,” etc. that are easy to make when emotions are running high.

i thought that's considered as ad hominem attacks

not criticism. the point made was criticism is not okay, constructive commentaries are okay. can we loophole this with constructive criticism? :P

I hope so

If so that wouldn’t be much different than what we could always expect. I’m more than a little intimidated by “this is censorship. This is a new regime”. That’s sounding new and pretty heavy handed.

things on twitter have the tendency to get ugly

and the comments sections of other blogs do as well (yahoo, is an example). I simply wanted to say that all that stuff is not going to be allowed here. you know me man, I was just trying to set the tone with the ‘shut up’ comment. i’m not trying to limit the possibility and scope of good dialogue here. i’m just trying to get rid of the ugly stuff that is not constructive.

Well, alright.

I’m cool.

awesome.

i like it when we can discuss things and agree.

I purposely didn't post anything substantive because of it.
for the record

this ‘censorship’ thingy was only for this thread. it doesn’t apply to the rest of the site unless otherwise indicated.

You must Login with your SB Nation account and be a member of SLC Dunk to post a comment.