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Amazing Trivia for the Amazing Utah Jazz legend John Stockton

There's so much one can say about Utah Jazz legend John Stockton. The more and more you look at his stats the more and more wonder and appreciation you gain for him, and his game. I grew up watching him play. I was in medical school when he was still schooling Steve Nash in the NBA Playoffs. I didn't look at advanced statistics back then, but I understand them now. And, oh my, John Stockton was amazing.

He has a career offensive rating of 116 . . . in the playoffs. In the regular season it's 121. He played in 1504 games, and 47764 total regular season minutes. That rating is amazing. Everyone (wrongly) liked Kevin Johnson better (everyone outside of Jazz fans that is), but KJ's last playoff series was when he was 33 years old, and his Off/Def rating split then was 75 off / 104 defense. When John was 39, his playoff Off/Def rating split was 120 off / 98 def.

John came into the league shooting 18.2 3pt%, and finished it with career averages of 38.4 3pt%. As a guard, one with nearly 14,000 FGA (or half a metric kobe), he has a career 51.5fg%. He shot over 50.0 fg% in 12 of his 19 seasons. In 6 other seasons he shot between 48.2 fg% and 49.9 fg%.

Steve Nash is a superior free throw shooter and three point threat than John was, but Nash has only gone over 50.0 fg% 7 times. John did it 12 times. And he only has 3 seasons going between 48%-50%, to John's 6. Nash is a better shooter (career 1.35 pps), but I'd say that on any given shot John was a better maker (career 1.44 pps). But with John it was really about setting up his team mates. He made other guys better, he was the captain of a team that got to the NBA FINALS while starting Adam Keefe, and playing him 25.6 mpg. Seriously, that's hard mode right there. Bravo for beating those late 90's Houston Rockets, LA Lakers, Seattle Supersonics, and San Antonio Spurs teams while starting Keefe, and keeping him on the floor for more minutes than the Jazz are currently playing Derrick Favors right now.

Here are John's apg numbers from his first season starting (started 79 of 82 games), and the following decade:

  • '87-88: 13.8 agp
  • '88-89: 13.6 apg
  • '89-90: 14.5 apg
  • '90-91: 14.2 apg
  • '91-92: 13.7 apg
  • '92-93: 12.0 apg
  • '93-94: 12.6 apg
  • '94-95: 12.3 apg
  • '95-96: 11.2 apg
  • '96-97: 10.5 apg

Magic Johnson had 9 seasons in a row of 10+ apg. Oscar Robertson 4. Isiah Thomas 4. Kevin Johnson 4. Steve Nash 4 years in a row. Chris Paul 3. Jason Kidd did it twice with a whopping 2 years in a row. Tim Hardaway 2 years in a row. Mark Jackson two years in a row as well. Bob Cousy never averaged 10 apg for a season, in any of his years playing the game. John did it for an entire decade in a row. And to think . . . had the Jazz not held John back by playing him off the bench for his first three seasons in the league that monumental number could be even bigger!

But the best trivia about John Stockton is simply this:


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via Basketball-Reference

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Oh yeah, one more thing (all Columbo like . . . )

John played in 10 All-Star Games, and was an All-NBA 1st, 2nd, or 3rd team member 11 times.

Hmp. I guess it means nothing. Or do All-NBA players generally be better players than non-stars? I guess it was just good fortune that the Jazz didn’t protect Rickey Green (former All-Star, starter on some of our first strong playoff teams, generally loved) in the expansion draft . . . and he was picked up, leaving the Jazz with an ‘honorable’ way to find a way to give John the keys to the car. No messiness like we have this season . . .

But I guess it means nothing. (Peter Falk’s out of this comments section)
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damn you equals sign . . .

Great great statistical article

And at the end: chills

He made other guys better, he was the captain of a team that got to the NBA FINALS while starting Adam Keefe, and playing him 25.6 mpg.

This is the most extraordinary stat I have ever read about John Stockton. More extraordinary than his assist totals and steal totals that hang from the rafters of ESA. This stat alone puts him in the highest echelon of point guards (with Magic, Oscar Robertson, and ….. nope, that’s it).

Throw in Ostertag at Center, Big Dog off the bench and it’s practically unbelievable.

love it love it love it

I just love John Stockton, if it was not for him I would not be a Jazz fan today. I love John.
I think he is one of the most underated players in NBA history.
I am happy the Jazz were happy to give up Ricky Green for John and imagine if he did play more as a rookie!
I love John Stockton!!!!!

here's more fun trivia

if you count every assist as 2 points (rather than the 2.34 average, since 3 pointers weren’t always around), John Stockton is the only player in NBA history to be accountable for more than 50,000 points

Not to rain on the parade

But I don’t remember Adam Keefe starting those years. He didn’t start, and he didn’t play starter minutes. I think you’re making too big of a deal here. He was a hard working hustle guy with moxy in place of talent. The garbage man. He earned his minutes

I seem to recall a starting lineup of

PG – John Stockton
SG – Jeff Hornecek
SF – Bryon Russel
PF – Karl Malone
C – Greg Ostertag

The Jazz had almost no injuries during that time outside of Stockton’s knee injury at the start of the 1997-98 season, and Sloan didn’t like changing his rotations, so these starters were pretty consistent.

backups

PG – Howard Eisley (with Jaque Vaugn 3rd string in 97-98)
SG – Shandon Anderson (way underrated)
SF – varied some – Chris Morris was the last man off the bench and was pretty good.
PF – Adam Keefe
C – Greg Foster with Antoine Carr 3rd string

I know I’m missing one or two guys, specifically at backup SF. I don’t remember who we had there that year. I know Big T came back for a bit. And Blue Edwards, but I don’t think they were on the team during the finals runs. Keefe picked up backup minutes at PF and SF I think.

but our obvious weakness in our starters was tag.

This was supposed to be in reply to MTN's post - btw

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