This is simple. Should Tyrone Corbin have called a time out last night? No long explanations, no hemming or hawing. Should he have done it? Or not? (Feel free to yell about this in the comments section)
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No
But the ball should have been in Sap’s or Howard’s hands eith how they played.
I think it is up to Corbin to decide if they can catch the Lakers off-guard versus set up a play in a timeout. I would give any head coach wide discretion on that call. I think Coaches call timeouts too often in that situation. As exhibit A, I submit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXTOVopeVaM (fast forward to 1:19)
But hindsight is 20-20 and all that. I don’t hate that he didn’t call a TO, but I will never understand how the ball doesn’t end up with Millsap. He needed the ball. And if it takes a timeout to get him the ball, then that is what should have happened.
I wont try to second guess the coach! Look at the stat sheet the Jazz lost the game because they couldnt make a basket! What was the shooting percentage????
if big al dunks the ball and we win there isn’t even a conversation
heck if he called a time out, the lakers got the defense set and we couldnt score there’d be people saying he should have let them run, we would have had a better shot at scoring with them on their heels.
I voted D: there’s no question that there would be a play or 2 in the book for a short-clock situation, one designed for use when there were no remaining time-outs. However, at this stage of the season I would rather see Coach Corbin call a timeout and get set up, especially in a tied ballgame, as there’s been no clear ‘John and Karl’ emerge yet.
Although, seeing the ‘play’ that was run at the end of OT I’m not really sure that we have a go-to side-out set play yet.
This is where the shortened preseason hurts an ‘execution’ team like the Jazz: they didn’t have the ISO-style (clear-out, 1-on-1) player on the roster that can get the ball and make their own shot in camp so we struggle in situations where we would run an ISO, as much as I don’t want to see the Jazz run clearouts. We used to run this for DWill and Booze as a 2-man play – remember the Portland game?
Mike Brown is a defensive coach and if he would have had that time out the Lakers would have been able to defend the half court better.
Remember that Gordan Hayward aka G-time had a clear driver at the lane and passed the shot to a covered Al Jefferson. He could have had a clear finger roll down the paint.
And basically said the same thing on Twitter last night. It worked for Jerry when we had a clear leader on the floor like John, or Deron to handle the ball but last night we didn’t have that.
I will say that I am OK with initially letting them go, but once Hayward pulled the ball back out w/ 8 seconds left I wish he would have called the TO.
For the learning experience for both players and the coaches. Regardless of the final result, the coaching staff needs to figure out how to diagram the last few seconds of a game and the players need to be able to learn to execute said diagram.
One if the reasons why John and Karl were great in a situation like that is they always had a coach in the NBA that expected them to make those big decisions.
As the point guard Harris should have made sure that Milsap git the ball in a position to score.
Expecting the team to do what I’m sure they had worked on was fine, because that’s the way we do it here. But when it was clear that they were lost he should have called a time out. Its early in the season a coach should have plan B ready when plan A is not working.
5-17? He is a black hole, if it goes into him, its not coming back out. Basketball is about getting the ball to the open man, not throwing it up while double teamed. Al has a “push” shot, that is so ugly to watch, but somehow it falls. Give it to Sap!
did you see the averages of Gasol & Bynum from the game?
they weren’t much better than Al’s & they shot poorly primarily playing against the smallish tandem of Millsap & Al, who aren’t noted for their defense (if Al & Sap could play against Al & Sap they would torch themselves).
I agree that Sap should get more touches on offense, because he is more efficient & dynamic than Al, but that doesn’t mean Al needs to be thrown out (although if a great trade package comes along, I’m certainly not opposed to that).
Al had an amazing game against the Varejao & the Cavs & he had a poor game against the twin towers & the Lakers, average them out, and he looks better than most centers in the NBA today.
Also he is much less of a black hole this year (there are only 1 or 2 times each game, that I yell at the TV about him not passing out of a bad situation, which is down from 5ish last year), & has had some multi-assists games (he would have more if Bell, Miles, Hayward, et al would knock down their 3s at least a third of the time.
Did it work out for us? No. It’s a good learning experience. Some think we sank because of the decision, but you can’t learn to swim without the experience of getting into the deep end of the pool. Excellent decision.
I'm ok with it they were in the game till the last and it wasn't a blowout, thats good enough for my tastebuds
But Doc Rivers would’ve called timeout and set up a play, Sloan might’ve called timeout and set up a play (after stockton and malone werent here anymore) depending on his mood, the bulls/lakers coach (name slipped my mind because instead of hating a person, i just forget them) that “Zen master guy”, probably would’ve called a timeout and set up a play. Point is, good coaches would have done it, and do those sort of things in this situation. I understand why we didn’t though.
I’m glad Coach Corbin didn’t, we have a very very young team, and they need to learn through experience how to perform. Win the game? Timeout…maybe! Learn experience? Let them play!
No
But the ball should have been in Sap’s or Howard’s hands eith how they played.
neds - January 12, 2012
I agree
plus Al or Hayward should be trying to dunk the crap out of that last shot!
LoWBlok - January 12, 2012 via iPhone app
In reality
I think it is up to Corbin to decide if they can catch the Lakers off-guard versus set up a play in a timeout. I would give any head coach wide discretion on that call. I think Coaches call timeouts too often in that situation. As exhibit A, I submit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXTOVopeVaM (fast forward to 1:19)
P-Will - January 12, 2012
No.
They’re grown ass men. (poll doesn’t show in app so didn’t vote)
SurlyMae - January 12, 2012 via Android app
and by that I mean
that if they need a timeout to figure out what they need to do w/ the ball then we are in trouble.
SurlyMae - January 12, 2012 via Android app
I have the app as well
I couldn’t vote either
marvin_is_joe - January 12, 2012 via iPhone app
Why have a coach at all?
JazzHype - January 13, 2012
I voted yes he should have.
But hindsight is 20-20 and all that. I don’t hate that he didn’t call a TO, but I will never understand how the ball doesn’t end up with Millsap. He needed the ball. And if it takes a timeout to get him the ball, then that is what should have happened.
hamfist - January 12, 2012
Ty is the coach
I wont try to second guess the coach! Look at the stat sheet the Jazz lost the game because they couldnt make a basket! What was the shooting percentage????
Hayward 2 points?
RAnder3446 - January 12, 2012
Really Hayward 1-7
How about Harris 1-7, Big Al 5-17, Miles 2-6
RAnder3446 - January 12, 2012
big NO
if big al dunks the ball and we win there isn’t even a conversation
heck if he called a time out, the lakers got the defense set and we couldnt score there’d be people saying he should have let them run, we would have had a better shot at scoring with them on their heels.
its damned if you do damned if you don’t
PMoney - January 12, 2012
Yeah, it's a tough question. With Hayward just into the game, I voted yes b/c they don't have Stockton or Malone.
I’m not sure Devin Harris or Gordon Hayward is enough of a playmaker to warrant their judgment over a play drawn up by a coach.
JazzHype - January 13, 2012
Interesting results in the poll
I voted D: there’s no question that there would be a play or 2 in the book for a short-clock situation, one designed for use when there were no remaining time-outs. However, at this stage of the season I would rather see Coach Corbin call a timeout and get set up, especially in a tied ballgame, as there’s been no clear ‘John and Karl’ emerge yet.
Although, seeing the ‘play’ that was run at the end of OT I’m not really sure that we have a go-to side-out set play yet.
This is where the shortened preseason hurts an ‘execution’ team like the Jazz: they didn’t have the ISO-style (clear-out, 1-on-1) player on the roster that can get the ball and make their own shot in camp so we struggle in situations where we would run an ISO, as much as I don’t want to see the Jazz run clearouts. We used to run this for DWill and Booze as a 2-man play – remember the Portland game?
Maybe Howard can develop into that.
TazzJazzFan - January 12, 2012
I'm ok with it
Mike Brown is a defensive coach and if he would have had that time out the Lakers would have been able to defend the half court better.
Remember that Gordan Hayward aka G-time had a clear driver at the lane and passed the shot to a covered Al Jefferson. He could have had a clear finger roll down the paint.
marvin_is_joe - January 12, 2012 via iPhone app
I voted 'D'...
And basically said the same thing on Twitter last night. It worked for Jerry when we had a clear leader on the floor like John, or Deron to handle the ball but last night we didn’t have that.
I will say that I am OK with initially letting them go, but once Hayward pulled the ball back out w/ 8 seconds left I wish he would have called the TO.
BC7 - January 12, 2012
This was my rationale as well.
JazzHype - January 13, 2012
Yes
For the learning experience for both players and the coaches. Regardless of the final result, the coaching staff needs to figure out how to diagram the last few seconds of a game and the players need to be able to learn to execute said diagram.
rxmike12 - January 12, 2012 via mobile
No
One if the reasons why John and Karl were great in a situation like that is they always had a coach in the NBA that expected them to make those big decisions.
As the point guard Harris should have made sure that Milsap git the ball in a position to score.
Daniel Smith - January 12, 2012 via iPhone app
It's all done. I don't care to play Monday Morning Quarterback
Time to just move on and plow forward.
Stockton2Malone - January 12, 2012
I think
Expecting the team to do what I’m sure they had worked on was fine, because that’s the way we do it here. But when it was clear that they were lost he should have called a time out. Its early in the season a coach should have plan B ready when plan A is not working.
jvillejazz - January 12, 2012
But in the end he's a new coach and stuff happens.
jvillejazz - January 12, 2012
Their was no plan A
He was winging it. He felt he could attack them while their guard was down, and it almost worked.
If the Lakers had made the shot Corbin might of used a timeout, but when they missed it was a perfect opportunity for them to attack them
EcERyda69 - January 12, 2012
Sixes
Hayward had a good look at the rim and passed up the shot to fuzzy bear. I was fine with it. You want an open look and that’s what we got. Game over.
jazzed - January 13, 2012 via Android app
Big Al needs to go
5-17? He is a black hole, if it goes into him, its not coming back out. Basketball is about getting the ball to the open man, not throwing it up while double teamed. Al has a “push” shot, that is so ugly to watch, but somehow it falls. Give it to Sap!
Carter Crosland - January 13, 2012 via Android app
did you see the averages of Gasol & Bynum from the game?
they weren’t much better than Al’s & they shot poorly primarily playing against the smallish tandem of Millsap & Al, who aren’t noted for their defense (if Al & Sap could play against Al & Sap they would torch themselves).
I agree that Sap should get more touches on offense, because he is more efficient & dynamic than Al, but that doesn’t mean Al needs to be thrown out (although if a great trade package comes along, I’m certainly not opposed to that).
Al had an amazing game against the Varejao & the Cavs & he had a poor game against the twin towers & the Lakers, average them out, and he looks better than most centers in the NBA today.
Also he is much less of a black hole this year (there are only 1 or 2 times each game, that I yell at the TV about him not passing out of a bad situation, which is down from 5ish last year), & has had some multi-assists games (he would have more if Bell, Miles, Hayward, et al would knock down their 3s at least a third of the time.
Waxmaster - January 13, 2012
"if Al & Sap could play against Al & Sap they would torch themselves"
This is too funny and true.
BobbyD31 - January 13, 2012
No timeout was the right thing to do
Did it work out for us? No. It’s a good learning experience. Some think we sank because of the decision, but you can’t learn to swim without the experience of getting into the deep end of the pool. Excellent decision.
ElVirg - January 13, 2012
I'm ok with it they were in the game till the last and it wasn't a blowout, thats good enough for my tastebuds
But Doc Rivers would’ve called timeout and set up a play, Sloan might’ve called timeout and set up a play (after stockton and malone werent here anymore) depending on his mood, the bulls/lakers coach (name slipped my mind because instead of hating a person, i just forget them) that “Zen master guy”, probably would’ve called a timeout and set up a play. Point is, good coaches would have done it, and do those sort of things in this situation. I understand why we didn’t though.
jazzyman - January 13, 2012
No call
I’m glad Coach Corbin didn’t, we have a very very young team, and they need to learn through experience how to perform. Win the game? Timeout…maybe! Learn experience? Let them play!
Travsbest - January 13, 2012
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