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The Downbeat - 16 March 2010 - #186 - The Sunday? Edition

  I don't know if you can overstate the impact the Wesley Matthews has had on the team.  He's shooting 56% in march including 60% from three and shooting 90% from the free throw line.  Overall he's shooting 48.5% from the field, 39% from the arc, and 80% on free throws.

It makes me wonder where he would be right now had we not had the injuries early in the season to Miles and Korver.  He likely wouldn't have been signed given the luxury tax situation.  So would he have gone to the DLeague?  Would he be on another team right now while we were lamenting how well he was playing?

 The latest NBA Jam trailer (ht BDL).  Deron and Boozer make an appearance at about the :35 mark.  Breakin' ankles.  Also, was there any other game that had more cheat codes than the original NBA Jam?


  Because you can never have too many brackets, here's Deron's group that he's created on ESPN.com.  Though, if it's his group, shouldn't he have an entry?  Right now there's only 13.  

I also created a group just for SLC Dunkers right here.  So join both.

  So my math was a little off yesterday.  It should have read that the Jazz only have 16 games left, not 18.  After last night, it's now 15.  The Nuggets also have 15 left after last night's loss to the Rockets.  So sitting just two games back, the Jazz would need to go 13-2 and the Nuggets to finish 10-4.  I still don't think it's likely that we overtake them, but Denver's loss last night gives me a little false hope.

  A plea from Deron to start playing on Sundays?

It’s been tough on us, but that’s part of the 82-game season. If we start playing on Sundays, we might be able to get a couple games spread out.

We all know why the Jazz don't play games at home on Sunday and that's because of the owner's LDS beliefs.  When they request days off with the league before the schedule is made, the Jazz always request Sundays off.

This year, they only have three games on a Sunday and ofcourse they're all away games. The other argument is that since there's a majority of LDS people in Utah, that having Sunday games wouldn't be profitable for the Jazz as they're not as likely to sell seats to those games outside of season ticket sales. That might still be the case.

Without getting too much into religion, just because there's still a majority of LDS members in the market doesn't necessarily mean that they're all actively practicing LDS. And let's face it, even the active LDS members are watching basketball/football/baseball on Sundays. In addition, the percentage of LDS people in the state is dropping. Also, I believe that in Salt Lake County, or at least in Salt Lake City, there's even less of a majority, if there's one at all. So there's probably a good chance that the Jazz are still going to be able to sell tickets to a few Sunday games. It can't be any worse than a Monday night game against a team like the Wizards.

Maybe another thing to consider is that none of the Jazz players are LDS. None of this is to say that you have to be LDS to consider Sunday a sacred day. I'm guessing though that playing on Sundays isn't a big deal for them. Maybe Deron could buy the remaining tickets that aren't sold for Sunday games and give them to charity?

Religous implications aside, does it help the Jazz to play some Sunday games at home? If the team could guarantee to be profitable on Sunday home games, would they do it? What would be the potential backlash? Would they lose sponsors and advertisers? Those might be some of the biggest reasons that they don't do Sunday games.

I took a random sampling of other teams to see how many Sunday games they play.

Team, # Sunday Games, Home Game, Away Games
Spurs, 11, 4, 7
Bucks, 5, 3, 2
Jazz, 3, 0, 3
Hawks, 7, 4, 3
Raptors, 19, 15, 4 (heathens!)
Lakers, 16, 12, 4
Bobcats, 4, 1, 3
Hornets, 10, 2, 8

The big teams like LA, Boston, Orlando, and Cleveland are going to have a lot of Sunday games given that they're almost always on ABC. Toronto surprised me with the number of games they play on Sunday. The Bobcats are almost like the Jazz, they have just one game at home on Sunday. Maybe because they're in the Bible belt?

So is there an advantage to playing some games at home on Sunday? Maybe a bit. I would like to see some statitician work out some numbers on it. I might do it later if I have some time. This portion of the downbeat went on for a lot longer than I thought it would. I hope this leads to a good discussion.

Ultimately, the decision is going to be the Millers'. I'm not advocating either way, but if they want to have no home Sunday games, that's fine. On the other hand, when you get into a business such as the NBA, Sundays kind of come with the territory. If having a couple of Sundays games would help the players like Deron mentioned, you might have to consider.

So here's a poll, should the Jazz have some home games on Sunday?

Poll
Should the Jazz have home games on Sundays?
No, the Millers should stick with their beliefs.
64 votes
No, it's not economically viable.
14 votes
No (another reason)
0 votes
Yes, I would love to go to a game on Sunday
35 votes
Yes, it's part of doing business in the NBA and the players would benefit
66 votes
Yes (other reason)
7 votes
I don't think it matters either way.
27 votes

213 votes | Poll has closed

0 recs  |  21 comments

Comments

Sunday Games on TV

If it increases the chances of fans without an expensive cable or satellite TV package seeing the Jazz on TV, then, yes, have a few games on Sunday.

No Sundays

and my only reason for saying so is that I’m already suspicious of Greg Miller’s commitment / interest in the Jazz. Playing on Sundays would just be further proof that his heart’s not in it. To hear Deron saying that also makes me think that the lines of communication between the Millers and the players aren’t working as well as they should. I would like to think that Deron would pass his thoughts along to the managmet in private and that the Millers could explain the unique reasons to Deron in private. Seeing Deron communicate with the team through the media is upsetting. Only being able to see the Jazz on cable sucks. But it doesn’t suck as bad as the MWC’s TV deal.

Games on Sunday

Games will be in the Afternoon. Fans on the East coast will be able to see games without staying up till 1:00 AM.

Games could be on national TV.

We should also try to land games during Thanksgiving or July 4th.

Would that July 4th game be an exhibition game against a WNBA team?
Agreed

I can see this thread deteriorating into a flame war. I hope not.

It’s going to happen sooner or later (games at home on Sundays). I just think it’s still another decade or so away. I’m sure it will start out as a “trial”—say a couple of ABC games one season vs. Boston/LA/NY. They’ll fill up the arena, nobody will care much, and it will happen again the next year.

I hate to sound crass about this, but I just don’t think it’s all that big of a deal.

I hope it doesn't deteriorate

Plenty of room for discussion without needing to flame. The last thing I want on SLC Dunk is a religious discussion but in this case it involves the team directly.

Let’s keep it civil though.

I would love to see maybe 1 or 2 Sunday home games per season

I was at the last one we had (Game 4 of the Western Conference semis in 2008), and it was the absolute loudest the arena has been in the last decade. I was a little worried about us losing a little bit of that homecourt advantage with the game being played on Sunday, but it was just a sensational atmosphere. Even though I’m sure most of that atmosphere was the product of (a) fans who go to every game anyway, not just Sunday games, (b) the fact that it was a playoff game, and © the fact that it was against the Lakers, I think some of it was actually the product of it being on a Sunday. I think it maybe brought out some fans who don’t usually make it out to Jazz games. Not that the current fan-base isn’t great and all, but I don’t doubt that there are some people out there who would be much more likely to go to a Sunday game than any other (maybe it’s their only day off of work, and they’re too busy during the week days to fit a game in), and bringing them into the fold somehow is a worthwhile thing, in my opinion. Sure, there would be lots of LDS fans who wouldn’t go to a Sunday game, but I think there would be enough other fans to make up for it, honestly.

I completely respect the Millers’ decision not to have Sunday home games for religious reasons, but if concern about the economic side factors into the decision at all, I think it’s an unfounded concern. Even a small expansion of the fan-base plus the possibility of increased exposure across the country by maybe having a game on ABC would make up for the whatever diminished attendance there would be among the regular Jazz fans, I would think.

Interesting that Deron made that statement

and I wonder if he is aware of the reasons behind the no home Sunday games…I mean, I’m not going to go around knocking a policy that my boss has put in place for personal/moral reasons.

It is an interesting topic too – and one that seems to come up on BYU blogs every year that they get invited to the NCAA tournament. The general feel there is that BYU generally gets knocked down a couple seeds as a result but in the end I don’t really think it hurts them. But then – truth be told – I don’t think there really is much of a difference between a 5 seed and a 7 seed in the big dance.

As for the NBA – there is obviously a different effect in place. But I still don’t think it hurts them much. I mean, even if it would cause them to lose, say, 5 games that they otherwise would have won (I don’t think this is the case) what does that do to them? If they are a title contender then it shouldn’t exclude them from the playoffs and although they may end up with a lower seed the path to the title wouldn’t really be THAT much more difficult (if at all). Now, if they aren’t a title contender then does it really how far they make it in the playoffs? If it were to exclude us from the playoffs then it would put us in the lottery – maybe that is a benefit?

In any case, I think the effect is minimal and nothing to really squabble over. I agree with tyrantking’s assessment that changing the policy would make me more suspicious of Greg’s commitment to the team (which could also be an impact on sponsors). So in the end I guess it seems to make more sense to continue the policy as is – for more reasons than one.

Why

is D-will bringing this up now? I dunno, it kinda bugs me. He’s getting paid millions of dollars to play basketball. If the game is at 3 am on a Weds night, he should just suck it up and play.

Also, I think it’s entirely up to the Millers. They can do what they want. I’d rather not have Jazz games on Sunday night because that cuts into football time. Right now, I can balance the Jazz games and Eagles game.

I don’t think 2-3 more Sunday games would hurt thought. I am LDS and i see no problem with it.

Go Iggles!

I would be okay with Sunday daytime games after football season. If it’s just another 7-8:30 starting night game, then why mess with God. You know?

lol +1

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!

Because I'm bored at work...

This table shows Sunday home games over the past 15 years:

click here for full size

To my annoyance, I could not find attendance data for most of the playoff games that have taken place on Sundays. I think we could get a little better idea if that information were available. Then again, I’d imagine playoff games are better attended regardless of the day of the week.

Interestingly, the Jazz are 14-2 on Sundays at home since 1995 (80%).

Anyway, pretty much this table doesn’t show a very significant dip in attendance on Sundays.

Also, the Lakers game in ’08 is an outlier because probably half of those in attendance were bandwagon Laker fans…

make that 86%...
And it's 12-2

I’ll get it right eventually. I’m probably making everyone start to question my data! Ha!

That's great. Thanks for posting that.

So it doesn’t look like they’re going to hurt attendance-wise. Their record is remarkable as well. So from a basketball standpoint, it doesn’t look like it factors at all.

First off thanks for doing this, but is that LA Lakers game (5/11/2008) a typo? How did we have 19,991? Shouldn’t it be 19,911?

Interesting, though.

I can’t believe we went from 1/21/2001 to 5/11/2008 without a home game on Sunday. And from 95-98 the Jazz were a hot selling ticket in the NBA, and the NBA on NBC was big.

was the loss to Chicago on 6/14/1998 THE LOSS? If so, I am ok with never having another Sunday home game. I will never recover from that!

Maybe schedule more playoff games on Sunday.

Going by that chart.

I wished they played more Sunday games, my Monday mornings are crap. Nothing would be better than waking up and having breakfast to a Jazz game to start the week.

But out of respect to LHM I’d leave it as is for now.

I do not know one single dairy farmer that does not Milk on Sunday!

Oh and I do know many dairy farmers.

The Church also owns many large scale dairy’s and every one of them milk cows on Sunday.

This is a Miller thing, it’s their team, their decision. I will watch whatever day it might be.

I’m just a fan.

Keeping the Sabbath holy really is not as restrictive as many desire to think it should be. Besides there is a possibility that Sunday itself is just another day, some say Saturday is the sabbath.

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